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Discussion on Rolleiflex: 2.8 or 3.5? C/D or E/F?

Michael_Sergio_Barnes says:

I got a Rolleiflex 3.5T and just recently an MX-EVS and a Rolleinar/filter set. These cameras are addicting. I’m now wanting a Planar/Xenotar lens but I’m unsure on which models to pursue. I know condition is most important but the 3.5E/F seems to be the most popular models on the internet. Some say that they were built better than the C/D but others say that they were built just as well. I’m not sure.

1. Are there any reasons to not pursue the C/D cameras? I heard that one of those, forgot which model, is known as the bokeh king because the number of aperture blades.
2. Is the f3.5 just as sharp as the f2.8 at wide apertures?
3. What’s the going price for Bay II and Bay III Rolleinar I’s? keh.com doesn’t have any and ebay prices are erratic with these things.

 

 

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ddandan  Pro User  says:

1) Condition is key on any of these. By the time of the C, rollei had pretty well settled on most of the mechanicals. The C has those plastic rings around the shutter release and flash port, which really annoy some people. As you get into the later models, there are more and more interlocks and mechanical systems. Like the depth of field indicator on the late Es (or all Es?) and the coupled meter on Fs (or only some metered Fs?).

The 2.8C has the 10-bladed Synchro-Compur shutter. D and later have 5-bladed apertures. I am not certain about the 3.5C’s aperture, but they are pretty rare anyway.

Another issue is meter or not on later models. I find the extra bump for the meter annoying, but many people prefer the meter cameras. Selenium meters are often not working, though, and the plastic cover for the needle is often cracked.

By the way, the 2.8s are 80mm, the 3.5s are 75mm. Small difference, but it is a difference.

2) For all intents and purposes, yes. Sample variation and alignment (i.e., condition!) mean more than any design differences.

3) www.manfredschmidt.com/rolleiaccess.html

The main advantage to the Es and Fs is that they will be easier to resell. Other than that, get the one in the best condition with clean lenses.

To warn you, though, the lenses kick some serious a**. I have a 2.8C Xenotar and it has spoiled me. Most every other lens I use looks soft now.

Another place on the web that has a large number of Rollieflex people. Search through the forum, as this type of question comes up every month or so it seems. It also has a sales forum, with real people with real reputations, so it is much safer than ebay and such.
www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=108
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brandon_montz says:

For the cost of a truly minty 2.8F you could buy two, maybe three D series. I purchased a 2.8D in mint condition for $800 a year ago. I have the Xenotar lens and I can’t see any real difference between it and the Planar.

Just beware that you will have to invest in separate filter types for both.
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roel 6×6  Pro User  says:

The image quality of the 2.8F is ever so slightly better than the 3.5F, but at a whopping perhaps not justified price difference. For filters and such your MX will be easiest and cheapest to find those for, Bay ll and Bay lll filters command stupid prices. Mechanically the T is the weakest of all the Rolleiflexes but you already have that one.
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Twinlensed says:

Well, I have always thought that the six element Planar f3.5 was the sharpest lens on the R-flexes by a very small margin. The difference between 3.5 and 2.8 versions and between Planar and Xenotar is minimal.

There are quite many things that can go wrong on an old Rolleiflex, and if you cannot check the camera yourself, I would recommend buying it from a respectable dealer.
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History of Rolleiflex

  • 1920 Paul Franke and Reinhold Heidecke set up a little firm in Braunschweig, Germany. They start developing camera protoypes with Goerz lenses.
  • 1921 Their first camera is launched, a stereo camera called the Stereo Heidoscop with Carl Zeiss lenses.
  • 1923 The Heidoscop is re-designed into a rollfilm reflex camera for 117 roll film.
  • 1926 The new camera is marketed as the Rolleidoscop.
  • 1927 The first prototype for the twin lens reflex camera.
  • 1928 Ten more prototypes are manufactured, nine of which have a Carl Zeiss Tessar F4.5 taking lens and the tenth a F3.8 Tessar. Decision is made to market both models simultaneously.
  • 1929 The twin lens reflex camera, the Original Rolleiflex, is launched and an instant hit. The number of orders from all over the world is far above expectations.
  • 1930 The great order stock and problems with sub-contractors force Franke & Heidecke to acquire a larger factory. This enables them to build 20,000 cameras annually. The Baby Rolleiflex prototype is finalized.
  • 1931 The Baby Rolleiflex is manufactured. It has improvements that are later incorporated in the “full-grown” 6×6 Rolleiflex, such as a lever wind.
  • 1932 The improved Rolleiflex model 620 is launched. It accepts 120 film and has a lever wind.
  • 1933 The first Rolleicord – a less costly model, sold at less than half the price of the Rolleiflex.
  • 1936 The Rolleicord production line has been improved and the Rolleicord 1a is launched. Work is started on a new Rolleiflex production line.
  • 1937 The new Rolleiflex Automat wins a Grand Prix at the Paris World Fair.
  • 1938 The Rolleicord II is re-designed with a Triotar finder lens and a double bayonet mount on the taking lens. The Sports Rolleiflex is launched.
  • 1939 All Rolleis are now fitted with the bayonet mount on both the finder and the taking lenses.
  • 1939-45 During the war no new cameras are designed. The factory is damaged during bombings in 1944.
  • 1946 The factory is rebuilt, but with difficulties since material is in short supply.
  • 1949 New Rolleiflex and ‘Cord production lines prepared.
  • 1950 Rolleicord III is on sale with the Compur-rapid shutter, X synchronization, Schneider Xenar or Zeiss Triotar F3.5 coated lenses. The Rolleiflex Automat II is launched. Paul Franke dies on 18th March and is succeeded by his son, Horst Franke.
  • 1951 The Synchro-Compur shutter replaces the Compur-Rapid on Rolleiflex. The Rolleiflex 2.8A is released. It has a Tessar F2.8 80 mm lens.
  • 1952 Rolleiflex 2.8B is launched with a F2.8 Carl Zeiss Jena Biometar lens.
  • 1953 Rolleiflex 2.8C is launched with a West German Schneider Xenotar lens. A range of accessories for the bayonet III is presented.
  • 1954 The Rolleimarine under-water housing for the Rolleiflexes is designed. Rolleicord V and Rolleiflex MX-EVS are launched. For the first time a Zeiss Planar 2.8 is available for the Rolleiflex 2.8C.
  • 1955 The Rolleiflex 2.8D with Planar or Xenotar and EVS system is launched.
  • 1956 The Rolleiflex 3.5E and the 2.8E are available with built-in exposure meters.
  • 1957 The Baby Rolleiflex is re-introduced. Rolleicord Va.
  • 1958 Rolleiflex 3.5F with coupled exposure meter. Rolleiflex T.
  • 1959 Tele Rolleiflex with Zeiss Sonnar F4 135 mm. Rolleiflex E2 (both 3.5 and 2.8) with removable hood.
  • 1960 Reinhold Heidecke dies. Rollei Magic with automatic exposure.
  • 1961 The Wide-Angle Rolleiflex with Zess Distagon F4 55mm.
  • 1962 Company name changed to Rollei-Werke Franke & Heidecke. Rollei Magic II. Rolleicord Vb.
  • 1963 Launch of the Rollei 16 for 12×17 mm.
  • 1965 Rolleiscop home slide projector.
  • 1966 Rolleiflex SL 66, Rollei’s first single-lens rollfilm reflex camera. The Rollei 35 is presented as the smallest full frame 35mm camera.
  • 1967 Production of computer flash units begins with models E60 and E66.
  • 1969 Four Super-Eight cameras are launched.
  • 1970 Rolleiflex SL35, the first 35mm SLR camera from Rollei. New factories at Uelzen and in Singapore.
  • 1972 Rollei takes over the Voigtländer brand following the collapse of Zeiss Ikon.
  • 1973 The Rollei P 66A, the first automatic 6×6 slide projector, is launched.
  • 1974 Rolleiflex SLX, the first electronic MF camera system is launched. 2½ million Rollei 35 were sold.
  • 1979 Company is renamed Rollei-Werke Franke & Heidecke GmbH & Co KG. Rolleiflex SL35 E is a new popular SLR. Production of TLR stopped; orders are filled by old stock.
  • 1980 Rolleiflex SL 2000F, the first 35mm SLR camera with interchangeable magazine, double viewfinder system and integrated motor drive.
  • 1982 After a bankruptcy petition and following deal, the company is reorganized as Rollei Fototechnic GmbH.
  • 1983 1000 Rolleiflex 2.8F Gold Aurum are made. Rolleiflex 6006 is released as the successor of SLX with interchangeable backs.
  • 1984 Rolleiflex 3003 35mm SLR.
  • 1985 Rolleiflex 3000 P and 6002.
  • 1986 RolleiMetric, a digital 3D industrial measuring system, is launched.
  • 1987 New name again: Rollei Fototechnic GmbH & Co KG. The TLR is back with the Rolleiflex 2.8GX with TTL exposure and flash metering.
  • 1988 Introduction of the Rolleiflex 6008 with a range of new fine lenses.
  • 1991 Rollei enters digital photography with the Rollei Digital Scan Pack for the Rolleiflex 6008. The Prego AF is the first modern Rollei compact 35mm camera.
  • 1993 A new generation of dissolve projectors, Rolleivision twin MSC 300, is introduced.
  • 1994 The Rolleiflex 6003 without interchangeable magazine is an export hit. The digital imaging system is extended with the high-speed Digital ChipPack back.
  • 1995 Launch of the Rolleiflex 6008 integral.
  • 1996 A new digital back, the DSP-104.
  • 1998 Rollei presents the bellows camera system X-Act at Photokina. Rollei introduces APS cameras into its product range.
  • 2000 Rollei celebrates its 80th anniversary.
  • 2001 Launch of five new compact cameras, AFM 35, a new series of dissolve projectors, and two new digital cameras.
  • 2002 Launch of six new compact cameras, the Rollei d530 flex digital SLR camera, the Rolleiflex 6008 AF (the first 6×6 medium format camera with auto focus) and a new digital 35mm camera (Rollei d330 motion). Rollei also presents at Photokina the Rollei 35 RF (range finder-camera) and the Rolleiflex 4.0 FW (new wide-angle TLR camera).
  • 2006 Launch of the Rolleiflex Hy6, a medium-format camera for digital camera backs of Sinar, offered as Sinar Hy6, also produced by Jenoptik and Leaf for Leaf’s digital camera backs as Leaf AFi
  • 2007 Launch of the Rolleiflex 4,0 FT, a re-design of the 1959 Tele Rolleiflex. RCP buys the right to use the brand Rollei for its digital cameras.
  • 2009 (March) Franke&Heidecke announced that it was going into insolvency, saying it couldn’t pay its bills.
  • 2010 DHW Fototechnik managed to relaunch the production of RolleiflexRolleiflex Hy6Rolleivision slide projectors and Rollei 35.
  • 2012 DHW Fototechnik has announced two new Rolleiflex cameras and a new electronic shutter for Photokina.

Seagull 4A-107 TLR Review

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For Valentine’s Day 2002 my ever-indulgent wife got me a new camera: a Seagull model 4A-107 TLR (Twin Lens Reflex). All I got her was a boquet of roses, a little Teddy Bear with a balloon and candy, and a 3-stone diamond necklace.

A Twin Lens Reflex camera is an older style camera with two lenses (thus the name). The top lens is the one you look through, the bottom one is the one the film sees through. This was a popular design way back when. The Seagull is a current-production Chinese copy of a Rollei design from back in the 1920’s or so. Rollei still makes a version of this camera, the 2.8GX. There are a few minor differences between the Rollei and the copy, the two most important being that, with the copy you take part in the QC process – it’s not uncommon to have to go through a camera or two to get a good one. But, since the other big difference is that the Rollei is literally 10 times the price, it’s worth a little hassle.

This is a quick gallery of some shots from the first few rolls I ran through my new toy, plus a few pictures of it (taken with my wife’s camera, a Canon Elph)

If you’d like to know more about the Seagull, you can find it at most online camera stores, go to the U.S. importer’s home page – Phoenix America, or send me an email at steve@svandyke.com

You can click on any of the thumbnails to go to a frame-by-frame gallery at a slightly larger size. In the frame-by-frame gallery, clicking the picture takes you to the next one.
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via A quick look at my newest camera – a Seagull 4A-107 TLR.